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Offline Sprocket

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Individual Vehicle History - is there a register?
« on: 22 July 2014, 01:51:50 pm »
I've had my Landy 88" (Mk11 front end with headlights inboard, but with Mk3 instrumentation..) for about 18 months and I'd love to know something of it's history. Is there anyone I can contact who might be able to help me with this? I'm curious because although it's painted in a lovely matt green 'Nato' paint, deep within the engine bay there's the odd patch of pale blue, which along with a double-height front bumper suggests (according to a guy I met at a Steam Fair) that it might have once belonged to the RAF. It's registered as a 1972 model. The bodywork rides quite high (so I have to let the tyres down to get it in the garage, even though according to the vehicle specs it should have just fitted in, the springs aren't paras and the tyres are 15"x 205), so I'm also wondering if, as it might be an ex-RAF, it might have had stronger springs and therefore ride higher when unloaded..?  Be kind to me - this is my first ever forum post...
Any help gratefully received!
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Re: Individual Vehicle History - is there a register?
« Reply #1 on: 22 July 2014, 03:19:11 pm »
Welcome to OLLR, young Sprocket.

As for tracing your vehicle's history, I'd start with Gaydon, give them a ring, they're very helpful.
http://www.heritage-motor-centre.co.uk/archive-services/
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Re: Individual Vehicle History - is there a register?
« Reply #2 on: 22 July 2014, 08:41:02 pm »
   From the description I think that what you have is probably a series three with a series two grill and lights.
   I have seen quite a few series two a's with retro fit lights and grill, but never known a series two or two a
retro fitted with a series three dash. 1972 would make it an early three, or a two a that got lost in transit somewhere,
Either way the inboard lights are wrong.  My two a has a retrofit mill bumper, doesn't make it ex mill though.

   Perhaps a few pics would be helpful?

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Re: Individual Vehicle History - is there a register?
« Reply #3 on: 22 July 2014, 08:54:14 pm »
Could be a HD 3/4 ton military chassis. They tend to ride higher

Pics of the underneath, spring hangers, cross member etc would help.
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Re: Individual Vehicle History - is there a register?
« Reply #4 on: 23 July 2014, 06:35:41 pm »
Thanks for all your help gents; I've uploaded just a few photos of my 88 and hopefully they'll appear here:









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Re: Individual Vehicle History - is there a register?
« Reply #5 on: 24 July 2014, 08:43:37 am »
I'd go with Pete, it looks to me like you've got a series 3 88 that a PO has slapped an earlier 2a front end on. There is no trace of anything military on it that I can see. What is the date of first registration (on the V5C)? If it was military that date would be much later than 1971/2, it would be the date sold to the first civvy owner that registered it. For example, first regsitered 02/07/88 declared manufactured 1972 or something like that. Civvy 88s were used by the forces but when lightweight production entered full swing that became the standard for 88s, understandably.

My guess is the date of registration was some time in 1971/2 so therefore you are able to trace the history through the DVLA. For £5 they'll send you copies of every piece of paper they have relating to the vehicle. It takes about a month, sometimes longer, but is well worth it. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/v888-request-by-an-individual-for-information-about-a-vehicle

As a by-the-by The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 (as amended) stipulates any vehicle first used after 1st January 1972 cannot have headlights positioned more than 400mm from the edges of the vehicle. If yours is 1972 or later technically that front end isn't legal, although you'd be hard pushed to find anyone in authority who would actually know that.
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Re: Individual Vehicle History - is there a register?
« Reply #6 on: 24 July 2014, 01:37:38 pm »
 Having taken a good look at your pics "nice motor", I have to concur with everything that Noel has to say.
everything except the grill screams series three.  An ex mil old enough to have that front end
 would almost certainly have twin under seat tanks as well.

  One small caveat.  There are testers who would spot the light spacing.


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Re: Individual Vehicle History - is there a register?
« Reply #7 on: 25 July 2014, 10:28:00 pm »
Thanks Noel, Pete, Well, I just checked the registration document - first registered 19/1/1972 so theoretically I could be in trouble - I certainly wasn't aware of that particular regulation - it's be a real shame to have to change the headlight arrangement, as I really like the look. So I'll tyr not to lose sleep over it and find a sympathetic testing station...
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Re: Individual Vehicle History - is there a register?
« Reply #8 on: 26 July 2014, 09:01:14 am »
If first registered on 19th Jan 1972 it's certainly conceivable it was built before the cut off. A dating letter from Gaydon would confirm that.
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Re: Individual Vehicle History - is there a register?
« Reply #9 on: 26 July 2014, 09:24:26 am »
Nice truck.

It seems to have the front axle from a lightweight (flat ended) and a recon military engine (painted rocker cover in that greenish blue). I *think* as well that the orange oil filler cap came in later on in SIII production, but not too sure.

Steering wheel looks like the earlier SIII ones as well - the later ones look deeper.

Like you say; not worth loosing sleep over, more something to be enjoyed.
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Re: Individual Vehicle History - is there a register?
« Reply #10 on: 26 July 2014, 11:58:16 am »
The orange filler in the rocker cover came in either with the 5 bearing engine or thereabouts. It's a bitser undoubtedly, the bulkhead certainly isn't original as a 3 that early would have had the short gutters - but nowt wrong in building something out of a pile of good bits and I wouldn't be losing sleep over it either. For what it's worth I recently tested a '73 lightweight a PO had done a lights in the grille conversion on and the tester didn't bat an eyelid.
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Re: Individual Vehicle History - is there a register?
« Reply #11 on: 06 August 2014, 08:32:59 pm »
Just a thought, if it is ex-military it should have an ID plate on the seat box on the driver side, that should show it's military reg number.
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Re: Individual Vehicle History - is there a register?
« Reply #12 on: 07 October 2014, 06:35:47 pm »
I cant thank you guys enough for your help - I got in touch with the DVLC on Noel's suggestion and they eventually came back with a load of info about the history of my Landy, it seems it's spent the vast majority of it's 42 years in either Pwllheli, Caernarfon, or Bangor. So, if any forum member living in these areas is/knows of a previous owner of PCK 744K (it used to be blue rather than green), I'd love to find any old photos that might exist showing the wagon. It deserves a bit of history! I do have previous owner names, but don't think it would be appropriate to list them here; about five weeks ago I wrote to a guy who'd had it for seven years shortly before I bought it, he's in mountain rescue so thought he might have one or two interesting snaps, but haven't heard anything so I guess he's not interested in his old truck. No matter, it's worth asking, even if I don't get anywhere.
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Re: Individual Vehicle History - is there a register?
« Reply #13 on: 07 October 2014, 08:24:40 pm »
Ignore the MOT scaremongers. We don't measure lighting position other that to assess then positions are matched.
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Re: Individual Vehicle History - is there a register?
« Reply #14 on: 07 October 2014, 10:43:08 pm »
As this is an early series 3 (like mine) I have heard that some of the early ones came off the line as hybrids using up some old 2A parts.

Like mine that has the 2A heater on the bulkhead.  Either that or a PO just bodged it on there for some reason.
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